The arrogance of fansubbers: Why I’m late to the Gurren Lagann party

November 10th, 2007 | Categories: Anime, Omake | Tags: ,

This post is obviously meant to be inflammatory from the title! I mean, there could be no other reason for using “arrogance”, could there? This post also obviously refers to every fansubber out there and not a select few who are concerned. Please keep that in mind as you read this post, and before you proceed to comment. Take every word I say out of context. It’s not like I tend to be sarcastic on the internet or anything, nope.

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I may not agree with what you say, but Ill defend to the death my right to drill it

With that’s out of the way, here’s my explanation for the title. I’ve only really been able to watch Gurren Lagann as of late, due to Black-Order finally bridging the Xvid-less gap with BSS-Anon’s encodes. “Arrogance” here would refer to how a minority of fansubbing groups don’t, for the most part, care about Xvid or non-HD encodes anymore, producing subs that are exclusively HD and/or x264.

Why am I getting riled over this? I have every right to, surely — after all, they’re the ones who control the means of production, i.e. the bourgeoisie, and there are more PCs in the world that can’t watch x264 and/or HD than those that can. This is a fact. Unfortunately this is also where the Marxism analogy ends because relating fansubbing to the rest of it is ridiculous, as much as I’d like to see every anime fan rise above the oppressive shackles of fansubs and get their JLPT 3/2/1. But I digress.

For those of you who weren’t paying attention, before Order began subbing GL, there were no Xvid subs in 704×400 resolution. Correct me if I’m wrong, but even BSS-Anon, when picking up the series after it was licensed, only began churning out Xvid 704x400s around episode 17 or so. Order hadn’t caught up then, so this meant that any hope of watching it altogether had to be put aside until Order caught up and bridged that bit of no man’s land.

This is certainly a worrying trend that I’ve noticed as of late, and it’s like the proverbial itch in a place you can’t scratch (or could, give or take a dislocated limb). As much as I’d love to go all out and embrace every bit of anime that I can lay my hands on, I’m unable to for purely technical reasons. My PC’s pretty old, and while I might be getting a new one in the future assuming I can scrape together enough money to do so, it’s just not feasible right now.

What this means is that I haven’t watched a bit of Baccano at all. No long-nose Kaiji. Before Oikose came along and decided to sub Minami-ke in a viewable format, Ayako’s Xvid-but-in-HD subs were nothing short of infuriating. There’s a general understanding that any every self-respecting fansub group produces two versions of an episode: the HQ, x264 version that may or may not be in HD resolution, and a LQ, Xvid version that’s more often than not resized to a manageable resolution, around the 600-700 range depending on the raw.

My question is this — why should fansubbers dictate what the fans watch? Common sense would indicate that there are more PCs out there in the world that can’t handle x264 codecs as opposed to those who can, those old PCs are used to watch anime, and if you’re not fansubbing for the e-fame or e-penis, that begs the question of why aren’t you encoding in an accessible codec? It’s perplexing, because I was pretty sure that all fansub groups have this shared creed of wanting to reach as many fans as possible. I’m not discounting the idea that there just might be people deluded enough to think that PCs automatically upgrade themselves or that everyone can afford them, but you get the idea.

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the hype/critical acclaim’s been so much I basically understand the joke behind pictures like these, even if I haven’t seen the damn thing yet from a lack of Xvid

As a pre-emptive to any arguments that might be used later, I’ve noticed from the Gundam 00-Nyoron fiasco that the comments opposing what he said had this in common; the argument that fansubs are a free resource, that people do them on their own time and effort and should be able to sub whatever damn well pleases them, even if it means turning the episode into a Graham x Setsuna yaoi slash fic while radically redefining the Gundam architecture.

I’m going to do the obvious and call this line of reasoning fundamentally flawed, or, to not mince words, unforgivably imbecilic. It’s shoddy logic that confuses the basic freedom of expression with the fact that fansubs define the understanding of an anime in the English fandom, and that altering that understanding means you’re not watching Gundam 00 anymore, but Gundam 00 According To Nyoron.

Exclusively encoding anime in x264 or HD has the same effect. While otaku everywhere in Japan can just turn on their TV/cable/satellite and watch an anime without getting a new TV of some sort, what we have here is a minority of fansubbers making this process difficult, insisting that we get a better PC (even if it’s not financially feasible to do so; note the callous insensitivity, ignorance, and baseless assumption that PCs cost the same the world over, here) to watch them.

It’s at least reassuring to know that this only happens with shows that are relatively obscure, without a great following, or not as mainstream. While exclusive x264-encoded fansubs of an anime remain far and few in-between, it’s still bad enough that I miss out on at least one show every season due to this pompous train of thought. With Spring it was GL, Summer — Baccano, Autumn — Kaiji. I’ve missed out, or am missing out on awesome shows because a group people on the internet think that they’re too good for low-quality encodes.

To sum things up, if you’re a member of the decision-making process of one of those fansub groups that encode your releases exclusively in HD/x264 because you think it’s gangsta/can’t be arsed to do an Xvid/don’t care, all this when you’re the only option for the show, please realise that you’ve just finished reading what was basically the eloquent equivalent of my spitting on your internet existence and beating it to a pulp before kicking it in the balls with steel-tipped boots.

On the other hand, if you’re one of those opinionated ignoramuses that don’t read posts before commenting on them (there’s a high chance that you also did the same in DarkMirage’s post!), I suggest you re-read my post at this point. Very slowly, sans that seething internet rage things like you have when you come across an opinion contrary to what you hold. Start from the paragraph that says “As a pre-emptive to any arguments”, and repeat if necessary.

I originally meant for this post to be 50% vitriolic rant and 50% thoughts on GL pre-watching. As that idea’s all but gone now, here’s 10% of my 2 cents instead. GL has been looming over my head ever since I couldn’t watch it and it’s remained there — Gainax, after all, held my attention with shows like KareKano (which I never finished, but the manga works just as well), FLCL (which, on retrospective, was a bit too much for my teenage self to appreciate), and Evangelion (ditto) just when I was getting into anime.

GL could easily be Gainax’s magnum opus, like Code Geass is Sunrise’s, or Haruhi KyoAni’s. Don’t call me out on the last one, because I’m going to wield the This Is My Blog, And My Opinion Is Always Right card here; Haruhi was awesome if you didn’t let the hype, fanboys, or Philistines get to you, so shut it. Where was I? Oh, yes. If reports of GL are anything to go by, I’m suppose to have come (as in “I came”), shat bricks, and shed manly tears all at once, preferably at every other episode. It isn’t so much disappointment at hype that I’m afraid of here as it is the disparity with what my fellow bloggers have told me (sometimes yelled, unanimously) and my subsequent evaluation of it later.

I’ve never been as afraid to watch an anime as I have GL, and I hope I never have to again. I’m definitely duty-bound to write about it, and it’s this terrifying mixture of trepidation, apprehension, and expectation with which I venture into the unknown. Too bad being a tabula rasa at this point is impossible given what I know, but I’m not complaining about that. Hey, I’m grateful I even get to watch the bloody thing!

  1. November 10th, 2007 at 21:03
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    Lame. I actually prefer my anime in non-xvid avi formats. I like the shift away to mkv. YOU ARE LAME! TRA LA LA LA LA.

  2. November 10th, 2007 at 21:08
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    TRA LA LA LA LA. :P

    (Actually, my slow old computer does have trouble sometimes with those mkvs and other formats) :(

  3. November 10th, 2007 at 21:11
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    [09:04:36] < +tj_han> anyway, it is surely the post of an arts student.
    [09:04:40] <saturnine> I bet tj is going to post some random comment that shows how he evidently didn’t read my post
    [09:04:50] <saturnine> which is ironic since I wrote about people who don’t read posts before commenting
    [09:04:54] < +tj_han> like “oh boo hoo, my computer (magic box) cannot read this file, it is their fault! fix it!”
    [09:05:05] <saturnine> but yeah good job

    Excuse me while I put on my Just As Planned face. Any other takers?

    DS: OLD PCs, REPRESENT.

  4. November 10th, 2007 at 21:58
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    The whole fansubbing argument is complicated. Like I’ve said to you in IRC, I’m in the samee boat as you with these file formats. But equally, it seems a little cheap to undercut the arguments you’ve listed. Some are them are valid simply because fansubbers are under no obligation to do what we want. They don’t get paid, they made no specific commitments. Our right to complain only extends to the practise of doing it ourselves in the way we want it done.

    As for GL, it so freaking isn’t GAINAX’s magnum opus. It’s too stupid and disposable to be crowned such. It’s probably one of the most entertaining shows they’ve ever made, and I love it to bits, but it’s got nothing on Evangelion, Gunbuster, FLCL or KareKaro in terms of being a master-work.

  5. boo
    November 10th, 2007 at 21:59
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    If people can’t afford a new PC, then they won’t be able to afford the DVDs and merchandise, that the anime studios need to sell to keep making anime in the first place.

    People who don’t have enough money, need to spend more time working, and spend less time watching anime anyway. In a week, enough money can be made to afford a PC that can play HD.

    Study and work hard. Then you’ll have enough money to buy beefy PCs and watch anime on HD. Or just wait for the DVDs and buy those, since TTGL is licensed.

    People who are short on money have better things to worry about than anime. It’s all about priorities.

    Btw, that PC must be at least 4-5 years old if it can’t play 1280×720 properly, either that or it was a horrible buy.

    Just work your ass off, and you’ll be able to pirate anime in HD. :p

  6. November 10th, 2007 at 22:17
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    Hige: Gotcha. To be honest what I’ve said would have a lot less weight if everyone, and by everyone I mean 9 out of 10 subbing groups did exclusive HD, HQ releases, but since any and every self-respecting group does Xvid, I saw room for complaint.

    We’ll see about the magnum opus bit. :P

    boo:

    [09:30:35] <saturnine> oh also I’m looking forward to those (Americans, I bet) asking me to get a job, because I have to work 3 times as much or as hard to get the $ for a new rig
    [09:30:39] <saturnine> and there’s no minimum wage here

    Well, you’re not American, but an European works too, I guess. You have no idea how long it takes. I’d like to think you’re not ignorant that I’d have to work the better part of a year, full-time, working a shitty less-than-minimum wage job in a country with an exchange rate of 4.8 to the Euro in order to afford a PC. Which, of course, I haven’t been able to do due to how I’ve been occupied with my studies till recently.

    I reject your insinuation that those of us with lesser PCs should have to get a new one to accommodate what is essentially a re-encode of the same file in an LQ format. It costs nothing and I mean absolutely nothing aside from a miniscule investment in time on the fansubber’s part. How do you explain that part?

    You’re right about priorities, though. My priority has been, and always will be my studies when I’m not watching anime or doing another side hobby. Working for money my parents don’t have isn’t an option. Also, while I can watch anime and study in the same day, working tires you out, and isn’t really quite the same. Get my drift?

  7. November 10th, 2007 at 23:01
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    I agree with the HD part, not everyone’s computer can handle 1280 x 760. Like mine, and it is not fun when only HD formats are available and I can’t watch them.

    And not everyone can earn enough money in a week to buy a new PC either, students for example have to study and at most can only take up part-time jobs. How hard would one have to work to earn $2k for a new PC that can play HD video files?

  8. Guruhoro
    November 10th, 2007 at 23:21
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    1st: A 1k$ PC is fine too.

    2nd: An old PC can do re-encode too, even for files it can’t play smoothly. And while you’re at it, upload it so the other technologically impaired peoples can watch it too, plox. BTW, after that you might get why the subbers don’t encode, upload, and seed two separate releases.

    And well, duh, most of the anime-watching english-reading people DO have, in fact, computers that can play big bad HD.

    No more whine plox.

  9. November 10th, 2007 at 23:50
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    Guruhoro, have you even read the other comments in the thread?

    1st: $1K PC? What, in Euros? That converts to RM4800, if that’s what you’re implying. That would take me half, maybe three quarters of a year working full-time to collect.

    2nd: I’m afraid I don’t follow. “Re-encode your anime” is one of the most inane, retarded things you can bring up — the amount of time the encoder puts in (read: fast computer) vs the amount of time that I put in, multiplied by the amount of people that have old PCs, who are expected to do the same — frankly, the ends don’t justify the means. Doesn’t explain how those who distribute exclusively in x264 are the minority, not majority.

    While you’re at it you might also want to show me the results of your survey where “most of the anime-watching english-reading people DO have, in fact, computers that can play big bad HD.” because the last time I checked at Scarywater, Xvid torrents always have more seeds/peers than the h264 ones. Do enlighten me.

    Also, any other comment from this point onward asking me to “not whine” or bring up points that I’ve already addressed will have their comment edited with a glaring red Illiterate appended at the end. I wasn’t aware that blog authors couldn’t “whine” on their own blogs. Apparently I must have to do it in comments on other people’s blogs, or something.

  10. steelbound
    November 11th, 2007 at 01:19

    You should see my folder of Gurren-Lagann, it’s not pretty with all the different groups I went through to watch it so I was aware of every group. For episodes 1-5 I used the group Kamina which had 1280 and 704 mkv releases. For episode 6-9 I used Black Order’s avi release then from 10-14 I used anon’s 704 mkv. Episode 15 was SS-anon’s 704 mkv release Episode 16,17 was BSS’s avi release then from 18 on was BSS-anon’s 1289 mkv releases. A group I didn’t use was nyoro~n which had LQ avi’s up to episode 13.

    I do agree with you on your point about having a low-def avi release along with a high-def release and hope you enjoy the rest of Gurren-Lagann.

  11. November 11th, 2007 at 01:27

    Woo controversy TRA LA LA LA LA!

    “In a week, enough money can be made to afford a PC that can play HD.”

    Spoken like a true basement dweller who’s never had to worry about making ends meet in order to pay the rent and put food on the table. Or cover tuition bills, for that matter.

  12. boo
    November 11th, 2007 at 01:33

    xvid is dowloaded more partly because people want to burn and play on standalone dvd players.

    fansubbing isnt to give you free shows, it’s to entice you to buy dvds, well the idealistic goal is anyway.

    not sure what the specs of your current pc are, but you dont need to buy an entire new pc.
    monitor, keyboard, mouse, hard drive, optical drive you can definitely still use.
    pc case you can most likely keep.
    chances are your power supply might be adquate.
    if you have a pc with a videocard, you could prolly plug it into the new mobo.
    if your pc doesnt use ddr2, you’ll prolly need new ram.

    1gb ddr2 ~20 euros is easy to find.
    AMD Athlon 64 3200+ ~40 euros (more than enough to play hd)
    AM2 motherboard with integrated gpu~50 euros

    So about 110 euros (including 19% tax) is what it costs to have a pc more than capable of playing 1280×720.
    That’s less than 550 Malaysian Ringgit.
    If 4800 takes you 6 months, then 550 should take you about 3 weeks.
    Right now I’d have that in half a day’s work, but back in high school I worked 6 weeks during my vacation so I could buy a “big rig” (3.75 euros an hour at the time)

    *works 40 hours and studies 2 nights a week* Before that I used to study 5 days and work 1 day and 2 evenings.
    Don’t be afraid to be tired, once you’re used to it, you’d be surprised how much you can handle. Definitely possible if you’re willing and have skillz.

  13. cdeeee
    November 11th, 2007 at 02:00

    1. Buy the DVDs . I have a shitty computer (512 ram, Celeron 2 shit processor, 25 gig used old mostly broken Dell 2400) and play most fansubs fine, including HD/x264. The only thing that make them lag for me is huge resolutions. But I have no problems otherwise. I have been able to watch every episode of GL when it came out. If you can’t play. Guess what? Don’t watch. Arrogance? Sounds you have have some entitlement issues.

    2. Code Geass is NOT Sunrise’s magnum opus. LOL GUNDAM?

    (USER WAS ILLITERATE FOR THIS POST)

  14. Karry
    November 11th, 2007 at 02:22

    “Buy the DVDs”

    Duh ! DVDs are of lesser quality than TV these days, didnt you know ?

    Anyway, i pretty much agree with everything in the post.
    Just once can someone answer the question i asked so many times ? WHAT exactly does HD in anime give you that SD cant ? ITS LINES WITH COLOR FILLS !!! What bigger resolution can give you, if the detail level never changes ? Its not a movie where you could actually see more detail, its a drawing. Its quite stupid to say HD is better for anime just because.

  15. November 11th, 2007 at 03:06

    lol get a real computer.

    (USER WAS RETARDED FOR THIS POST)

  16. November 11th, 2007 at 04:15

    If people cant afford a new PC, then they wont be able to afford the DVDs and merchandise

    I would think that for buying a new PC, that same amount could buy lots of DVDs and merchandise. Or something like that.

    xvid is dowloaded more partly because people want to burn and play on standalone dvd players.

    Never heard of this before. You learn something new everyday. :3

    As someone who’s had to deal with the problems that Owen faces (until I was pretty much given a mandatory comp from my medical school this summer, but we’re obviously all that lucky :/), I understand the pain. It was really annoying to tray and watch Bartender when the majority of releases were in HD and even VLC player (usually my last option) couldn’t handle it, for exmaple. But I wonder why the ones that just release HD versions of shows do that, especially with less popular shows that other groups don’t sub. It’s annoying, to say the least, and it keeps watchers only to a select number of people (that is till the DVDs and such come out), which also seems wrong.

  17. Guruhoro
    November 11th, 2007 at 05:02

    I admit I was wrong on the “more SD vs HD watchers”. I should have checked some sources, because the Internet is serious business. Also, the $1k remark was aimed at the previous commenter, Chraen, who mentioned a $2k computer in his post. Sorry if you took that as an attack towards yourself. And really in dollars. That would make around 700 euros.

    I see how you conveniently disregarded my point that only one of you needs to re-encode the HD to SD and then seed it in torrents for the rest. Seen as how the fansubbers are already doing most of the work, as in actually translating, the problem of having one other person re-encode them on a slow machine vs. a hard machine becomes irrelevant in the bigger picture.

    Just came to think of this: If so many people download the LQ version, it does save an awful lot of bandwidth to never release them. Not saying that this is an actual reason for anybody, but it does seem to have that effect.

    Also, I’m not saying you shouldn’t whine on your own blog. I’m saying I don’t like it, in fact I would despise the way you make a mountain out of a molehill, blame the people who do unpaid work to get us subs for the anime we want, and rail against people who disagree with your ego-stroking post. I would despise it, if I hadn’t read the beginning of your post. Really, people who know how to be sarcastic should be able to notice when others are. Hint: people who are dead serious usually don’t say “plox”.

    (USER WAS RETARDED FOR THIS POST)

  18. November 11th, 2007 at 06:23

    Congratulations YHBT

  19. ???
    November 11th, 2007 at 09:35

    Im afraid I dont follow. Re-encode your anime is one of the most inane, retarded things you can bring up the amount of time the encoder puts in (read: fast computer) vs the amount of time that I put in, multiplied by the amount of people that have old PCs, who are expected to do the same frankly, the ends dont justify the means. Doesnt explain how those who distribute exclusively in x264 are the minority, not majority.

    I think I would have to disagree with you there. Let’s assume that a subbing group only has the resources to do a single encode of each ep. If they do an HD, h.264 encode, then those with beefy systems can play it while those without can re-encode (and maybe start a crappy-pc support group where you share re-encoded subs). But if they release a lower-quality encode, there’s no way for those with high-end computers to take that file and produce a higher-quality one.

    Ultimately, these are fans who are spending their time and energy to produce something for you, which they are doing for free. And yet you throw out the word “arrogant” because they don’t spend the extra time and energy to do something for you that you could do yourself (produce a lower-quality encode).

    I wasnt aware that blog authors couldnt whine on their own blogs.

    You are absolutely allowed to whine on your own blog. This doesn’t make you immune to criticism when you do so.

    (USER WAS ILLITERATE FOR THIS POST)

  20. November 11th, 2007 at 16:15

    I like how those who now have their comments marked in red still fail to answer my one point: does it cost the fansubber a lot to encode an Xvid? Instead, I get utterly obtuse replies that decide to harp on semantics. Carry on. Unlike DarkMirage, I troll back.

    ???:

    Ultimately, these are fans who are spending their time and energy to produce something for you, which they are doing for free

    You aren’t even making an attempt at criticism, you’re refusing to consider what I’m saying and instead are adamant on getting your point across. I wrote a pre-emptive that you evidently ignored, please re-read my post again. Thanks.

    I hate to break the news to you, but doing something for free doesn’t mean you’re exempt from criticism when it comes to fansubs. In the case of translations, there is an implicit understanding between the subber and viewer, that the viewer trusts the subber to have accurate translations. In my case, limiting my access to anime based on what PC I have is really the same — you are basically saying I should DIY when the subber has more efficient means, and an established network of distribution to begin with. Learn to read.

    Guruhoro: Nice attempt at trying to cover your ass. Unfortunately, saying you were “being sarcastic” doesn’t really cut it when I was (and still am) under the assumption that English wasn’t your first language from how incoherent your initial comment was. Seeing how you contradict yourself by inserting it after a sentence that you meant to be taken seriously, I’ll admit that “Plox” as an escape clause was really convenient, but I’m afraid it’s not working.

    Also, I doubt any of this is going into your heads, but if you can’t distribute anime efficiently to huge groups of people, here’s a protip: you shouldn’t be fansubbing in the first place. Using “bandwidth” as an excuse is semantics and bullshit. We are talking about a theoretical group that has the means by which to go about their distro yet refuse to release LQ stuff, what part of that you don’t get? Even the real-life groups subbing exclusively in HQ have more than enough distribution muscle, so I’m afraid you don’t make much sense here.

    Try reading the parts highlighted in bold in this comment for once.

  21. November 11th, 2007 at 20:06

    Indeed, I suffered under such things using my old computer and laptop (667mHz, 256mb RAM, 64mb VRAM and 1gHz, 256mb RAM, 32mb VRAM, respectively). I remember missing out on tens of shows because I couldn’t play them properly.
    Notice how most of the comments criticizing Owen on having a “crappy PC” are from America and Europe. Those countries have (generally speaking) higher standards of living than many of the places here; thus, pay is higher. On the other hand, citing the Philippines as an example, minimum wage is 362 (according to gov.ph). A decent PC would probably cost 700~800 USD, which is about 44 USD. Do the math. That’s at least 3-4 months of pay, at best. Yes, fansubbing is free, they (fansubbers) have the responsibility to be able to distribute to the widest possible channel, and because we’re talking about a group (the viewers) mostly composed of college students, then clearly, the majority of us wouldn’t be able to get new PCs.
    Anyway, there’s my two cents.

  22. November 11th, 2007 at 21:46

    The issue is indeed complicated but my view is this: if you’re going to make such an effort at your own expense to put together and distribute a fansub, you are doing both yourself AND the viewers a favour by making the format as user-friendly as possible. I have utmost respect for the translating and coding skills but that doesn’t alter the fact that it’s annoying that the Kaiji episodes have started to become glitchy on my lousy laptop because my lame hardware doesn’t like the format! The sad fact is, being a fan of the material does not make you an expert in the technical details that make it work.

    On a smaller scale, say I decided to revamp my blog’s theme. It’s a lot of hassle to make it pretty-looking, W3C valid, and easy to read – sure, a crappy layout would take less time and effort but a good one makes the effort and aggro worthwhile. Otherwise, why bother at all?

    Sorry if that didn’t fully answer the question but I’m sleep deprived. This was my two cents.

  23. ???
    November 11th, 2007 at 22:14

    In my case, limiting my access to anime based on what PC I have is really the same you are basically saying I should DIY when the subber has more efficient means, and an established network of distribution to begin with. Learn to read.

    No, I read your post, and I am literate. I just don’t buy your premise. You seem to be asserting that it is the responsibility of the fansubber to cater to those with poor PCs. I say that this is certainly not the case. I agree that it would be nice if fansubbers used their resources and their distribution network to release both HQ and LQ encodes. Why not? Maybe if you sent them an e-mail or popped into their IRC channel to explain your situation, maybe they would do so. TBH I doubt it, but it’s at least worth a try. But you cast it as an imperative, as though fansubbers are somehow denying you one of your basic rights by releasing only HQ encodes. I still say: who is the arrogant one here? You are still essentially asking someone who is working for free to do more work to cater to you and your demographic. I read your pre-emptive comment, but I just plain don’t agree that fansubbers are required to cater to you in any way, shape, or form. It’s like saying a fancy restaurant shouldn’t require a coat and tie out of respect for those who can’t afford nice clothes but still want to eat nice food. Yes, the fansubbers are the bourgeoisie. Welcome to capitalism.

    I’m not saying I don’t sympathize. My PC isn’t powerful enough to handle 1080p h.264 encodes. So I re-encode them overnight while I sleep. Problem solved.

  24. November 11th, 2007 at 23:02

    As for GL, it so freaking isnt GAINAXs magnum opus. Its too stupid and disposable to be crowned such.

    Hige, it is SO Gainax’s magnum opus. Forget EVA or FLCL, GL was probably the best Gainax show, ever. A master-work doesn’t have to be ‘smart’ at all. In fact, I’d argue that GL is the masterpiece because of its ‘stupidity’. It carries as much emotional weight as, say, EVA and was just as corny and quirky as FLCL without everything in between.

    And Owen, Code Geass? Sunrise’s magnus opus? Then what the heck do you call Cowboy Bebop? (Or even Gundam?)

    Um, I like fansubbers? ^^;; I appreciate fansubbers for just existing, I mean, heck I got to watch GL, didn’t I? And I also understand where you’re coming from, you didn’t get to watch GL, until now that is. But, isn’t being late to the party better than never having gone at all?

  25. IKnight
    November 12th, 2007 at 00:05

    In terms of popularity and longevity (and longevity of popularity) the Gundam metaseries is, I would say, Sunrise’ magnum opus. But whether that holds up if we must pick one series, and one series only, I don’t know. Code Geass was definitely very enjoyable, quality judgements aside.

    Certainly fansubbers have an ethical duty to present the best, most accurate, most honest translation they can, if they claim to be creating a ‘straight’ translation; thus DarkMirage’s reaction. I’m not sure there’s a similar duty to present their subs in the most accessible format. However, there ought to be a good self-interest motivation for doing so – widespread use is probably the only way to measure the ‘success’ of a fansubbing group, and by making their ‘product’ accessible to the largest number of people possible, they increase their ‘audience’. But maybe I’m not the best person to ask about the thought processes of fansubbers. I could well be wrong.

    Anyhow, thought-provoking stuff. The first paragraph almost broke under the weight of sarcasm, though.

  26. November 12th, 2007 at 02:01

    Well I guess the main reason why some groups do it is because eventually we should be moving to h264 for it’s superior quality and compression. There has to be a cut-off point somewhere.

    The move to h264 is a good thing, but perhaps it is still too early to stop releasing Xvids.

  27. azul
    November 12th, 2007 at 11:12

    In a way, it’s their loss too–if there are a lot of people who can’t watch because of the format-it defeats the purpose of fansubbing (more appreciation for a show and increase its popularity).

    And too bad about you not being able to watch Baccano!– it’s a great show.

  28. Plorkyeran
    November 13th, 2007 at 11:09

    While it isn’t a lot of work to do a xvid release, it is a nonzero amount. If you look at the groups who only do h264 releases, there’s one thing I’ve noticed every time: they don’t have a skilled encoder. Your main argument seems to be that it’s stupid for them not to do a dual release as it’s much easier for them to do it than it is for you to reencode the videos, but based on the groups that only do h264 releases, that isn’t true. Unless there’s some notable example I’ve missed, the h264-only groups are young ones that don’t really know what they’re doing yet. With the tools available now, someone with no previous encoding experience and a decent raw can make a watchable h264/softsub/mkv release that isn’t horribly large in about two hours. On the other hand, it could easily take two hours just to find a guide on how to do a hardsubbed xvid release, and making it look good at a decent file size could take several tries. Faced with this kind of effort, they simply don’t bother. Of course, there’s no reason why they couldn’t at least do a softsubbed xvid release, but for whatever reason there seems to be a belief that there’s no point in doing a xvid encode targetted at anything but the absolute lowest level.

  29. November 14th, 2007 at 09:11

    Yea, I’m a little late but… (note: I’m in no way affiliated with any subbing group)

    Re-encoding isn’t that bad, I used to do it all the time… ALL the time, like every series. Why? Stand-alone player, I like analog TV and remotes, especially with all those pre-HD series that were released in ogm formats, dear god. Re-encode!

    Yea, I find it annoying to re-encode, but I find it heartbreaking to download two versions of the same release… so I go with the highest quality and if I want to watch it another way then re-encode, because there is always the future!

    The FUTURE! In the future a viewer will probably have a computer that will play those nice HD encodes, even if they can’t now. What if they want to watch those “older”, but new right now, HD releases on a new HD system; it’d be nice to not have to download, but be assured the best quality in “here and now” fashion.

    I know I’m only discussing current “hacks” for this mania, but there is a solution, and I’ve said it before, but haven’t wanted to code such a monster.

    How about someone code a nice web service that allows viewers needing a stand-alone compliant version (usually Xvid w/o GMC) of a release to upload a torrent and whamo, the server spits another torrent back out after re-encoding (or instantly if the specific torrent was already queried). Anyone can use such a service. Sure it would be easier if the group did it, but hey, some groups aren’t around anymore…

    Who will re-encode our anime for us when we’re gone?

  30. Joe Sargent
    November 14th, 2007 at 15:40

    In this case, I sadly need to remember everyone here with less than 30 years, that 20 years ago, this discussion woul not be possible. Fiver years nowadays is the maximum that a hardware can resist. And this is not because there is a evil conspiration forcing us to buy things that we didn’t need, but because the quality really improves with new programs… Sad but true…But I didn’t intend return to the good old DOS, without Windows (or Linux, your choice)….

    And, for God’s Sake, the fansubs do this freely!! If you did’nt like, do it yourself!!

    (USER WAS ILLITERATE FOR THIS POST)

  31. November 14th, 2007 at 18:06

    ???:

    but I just plain dont agree that fansubbers are required to cater to you in any way, shape, or form.

    Ah, so agreeing to disagree instead of preaching your gospel truth here would make for better comments, I think. Newsflash — saying I shouldn’t be saying anything and then continuing with your own tirade is pretty much TRA LA LA LA LA (i.e., sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting loudly), which is where your ignorance comes into play again, all this while committing the wishful thinking fallacy. You made two reasoning errors here, btw.

    Its like saying a fancy restaurant shouldnt require a coat and tie out of respect for those who cant afford nice clothes but still want to eat nice food. Yes, the fansubbers are the bourgeoisie. Welcome to capitalism.

    1) Your “Fancy restaurant” analogy is a strawman, but nice try. Note that I said that they can do whatever they want if there’s alternative subbers for the show, but if they’re the only group subbing it then they should be giving Xvids, otherwise they are arrogant. A more appropriate analogy would be the only restaurant available for hundreds of miles requiring fancy dress. Get it? If you don’t, I give up, because teaching basic logic to random internet commenters isn’t exactly what I do with this blog.

    2) Any knowledge on Marxism you have evidently stems from Wikipedia, because I stated earlier on in my post that parallels with Marxism and fansubbing are ludicrous once you go below the surface. Nice try, though.

    Ryan A: I’d take longer to re-encode an episode than I would to have to download a new one. Nice suggestion, although I couldn’t really care about the future in that sense — what I’m annoyed about is the present.

    On a random note, I also love how after applying those gorgeous red tags only one comment after that has really degenerated into babbling nonsense. I should do this more often.

  32. ???
    November 14th, 2007 at 21:36

    A more appropriate analogy would be the only restaurant available for hundreds of miles requiring fancy dress. Get it?

    Yes, I do get it, and you’re right, this is a more appropriate analogy in this case. I’ll make sure to properly spell everything out explicitly in the future.

    However, I think the point still stands. Whether there’s no other restaurants for hundreds of miles or a McDonald’s next door, you’re still free to cook your own food! Of course, in the interest of spelling everything out in black and white, I realize that in this analogy, cooking your own food is most equivalent to subbing it yourself. I’m not even asking you to do that. Even if your PC is so crappy that it requires a full 24 hours to do a reencode, you’re delaying the time before you can watch the episode by a day. Versus how long are you waiting for an XVID group to come along and sub GL?

    Any knowledge on Marxism you have evidently stems from Wikipedia, because I stated earlier on in my post that parallels with Marxism and fansubbing are ludicrous once you go below the surface.

    Yes, ludicrous in the sense that, in Marxism, those who provide services for free do so with the expectation that they will be repaid by others who are also providing services for free. History has proven that the only free service that fansub groups get is bitching from fans.

    On a random note, I also love how after applying those gorgeous red tags only one comment after that has really degenerated into babbling nonsense. I should do this more often.

    Arguments do tend to get easier when you insult your opponents. This may be because you are a skilled debater, but it’s much more likely that your opponents got disgusted and gave up.

    I feel like you still haven’t addressed the primary problem I (and others! You address the latter part of Ryan A’s comment and ignore the former) bring up with your words: that there exists a solution to your problem. Your only counter-argument seems to be that you find it to be too much work and would prefer that other people do it for you. Um, yeah, sometimes I find making dinner to be too much work, so it would be really nice if someone would come to my house and make dinner for me for free. [Oy, again with the food analogies. Maybe I should eat a snack before writing a comment.]

    Don’t be helpless. You have been given (free of charge) the fan-subbed translation of an anime and the necessary tools to re-encode it. Yes, it would be nice if others would do this for you. It would also be nice if someone else re-encoded it with the right settings and put a torrent of that file somewhere. As I see it, you can complain that nobody else is doing your work for you, you can do that work yourself, or (as gurohoro said twice already) you can be that person for others and upload the LQ torrent once you’re done re-encoding it.

  33. November 15th, 2007 at 07:09

    My question is this why should fansubbers dictate what the fans watch?

    Maybe cause they’re doing it with their own free time with their own money, and they’re doing the sacrifices for the fans?

    Ever thought of that, MORON ?

    (USER WAS RETARDED FOR THIS POST)

  34. November 15th, 2007 at 07:17

    I like how those who now have their comments marked in red still fail to answer my one point: does it cost the fansubber a lot to encode an Xvid?

    yes it does, but being an ungrateful bastard, you couldn’t possibly understand what it’s like to:

    - Prepare an avs script
    - Choose a proper resolution and resizer
    - Adapt the scripts styles to the lower resolutions
    - Define the filesize for the xvid encoding
    - Hire a second encoder
    - Define the encoding settings
    - Encode the bloody thing
    - Upload the bloody thing
    - Check the bloody thing
    - Extra distribution (torrent/xdcc)

    No matter what you say, there is one truth:

    You speak in ignorance of fansubbing. Unless you do it yourself, you have no idea of what it’s like. I wish you could do it in my place, and encode the damn sd version everyweek, for the two guys who still have old pc’s.

    Here are the numbers: HD 90 %, SD 10%.

    Is 10% worth all the extra work? Some people say no you should just respect that. If you don’t, you’re a M O R O N.

    (USER WAS RETARDED FOR THIS POST, AGAIN)

  35. ???
    November 15th, 2007 at 07:47

    We were on the verge of having an actual civil discussion when Hedi came by :(

    Hedi: I’m not convinced that all the steps you list are actually valid. In the middle there you say “hire a second encoder”. Um, I’m not sure what that actually means, but I’m pretty sure it’s bullshit.

    A lot of the rest of those things sound like something you do once, at the beginning of the series and then reuse for all other encodes.

    As for encoding/uploading the thing, it’s not like those require active human involvement. Keep it going in the background or while you’re at work/school.

  36. November 15th, 2007 at 11:24

    Hedi:

    Here are the numbers: HD 90 %, SD 10%.

    Did you pull those numbers out of your ass, after being high on drugs, or a mix of both? Go on, come clean, I promise to be gentle the next time around if you’re not in rehab or a mental institution by then.

    Here are not one, not two, but five prominent groups for your comparison — tracker numbers as reported by AnimeSuki from their group page.

    Shinsen-Subs
    Eclipse Productions
    BSS
    Ayako
    m.3.3.w Fansubs

    What were you saying about 90/10, again? Numbers don’t lie. More like 30/70 in favour of Xvid, isn’t it? Maybe even 20/80? I don’t know where you’re getting your data from, most probably in that delusional little space you call your head. Try again, this time with more logic.

    ???:

    If you can see from the links above, they’re exactly why I have problems swallowing your argument. You argue from principle, and while your points are indeed valid in theory they hold no water in real life — there are more people out there who need Xvid subs than those who need h264 subs, assuming that there is even the “need” for HQ in the first place.

    In case you still don’t get it: Xvid is the majority. There are more people who need/want Xvid than those who need/want x264. A minority of the groups are basically telling the majority viewers to piss off by giving them the finger.

    To break it down further, here’s the groups I see doing exclusive-HQ for their releases, and why I think your argument is in turn bullshit:

    SpoonSubs: Did dual-releases for Doujin Work in the past. Distro is sufficient. Encoder exists.
    Triad: They’ve done Xvid exclusively for like forever. Distro is sufficient. Encoder exists.
    Ayako: This one is a no-brainer. Distro is sufficient. Encoder exists.
    Ayu: They did, oh, I don’t know, the entire freaking Rozen Maiden series in Xvid. Distro is sufficient. Encoder exists.

    Don’t really care about SpoonSubs since there’s Doremi to fall back on, but Doremi is slow. Ayako technically is doing it right, but Minami-ke in HD Xvid is just wrong. Do you see my point now? These groups have the means by which to do it, but they just don’t want to for God knows what reason.

    Also, note that about 1 in 10 fansub groups adhere to this dumb HQ-only rule. A majority of the fansubbers are doing double releases — unless you’re saying that the majority is indeed wrong and your opinion is right, in which I rest my case.

  37. Joe Sargent
    November 15th, 2007 at 13:57

    This discussion remembers me a teacher (a communication’s science specialist or something like that) that used to critic the sites with image, because that overloaded the web, forcing investments (from one side) and people to buy new pcs (for other)… No images in internet, did you get it? Just bbs or plain text… That was in the middle of 1990s. Ah, sure, he is (or was, I don’t know) a marxist…

    The price of broad band connections and pcs fallen abruptly in the last ten years (indeed, pcs today are commodities, like tvs). And the price falls because producers developed better (and more expensive) stuffs. What is expensive today will be cheaper tomorrow.

    But I understand the question. Why fansubs didn’t do videos that requires pcs with less potence… Well. Perhaps cuz that pcs will be in the garbage in one year or two… And whith that, the fansubs work. Maybe in five years, all the present videos will not be more acceptable by the existent programs. Any bet?

    How I said before, sad…

    P. S. Remember videocassetes…

    P.S. of P.S. Illiterate is better than retarded. I’m fighting for a upgrade!!!

  38. Joe Sargent
    November 15th, 2007 at 14:32

    Another commentary. I’m from Brazil, as you know… A big country, but not very rich (well, indeed, a very unequal country. Ten percent of population gets fourty percent of the rendiments, fourty percent gets ten… ). There are a lot of people that didn’t afford a cost of a middle pc. But the prices of that pcs are not expensive in terms of cost if compared with five or ten years ago or in international terms (cheap work force, low salaries…). My point is that if these people get the money nowadays to buy a new pc (a not expensive), they will just find pcs that are able to run HD encodes. If you arrive later, you didn’t buy old stuff, just stuffs more cheap… In USA, I think that most of the people could afford a reasonable pc more easily. And the american fansubs probably keep this in mind. If 1/3 of the fansubs keeps the old formats, good! But it is not cuz the american public of anime needs that. One of the participants (retarded or illiterate, I will not check) said that the aim of the fansubs is expand your public. So, the old pcs will be even more a minority of the universe of hardwares in the near future. So keeping old formats will be not a question of justice, but a luxury, like people that listen LPs that cost much more because are for a minority. That’s a kind of irony, too…

    But I appreciate the argument. And think all this discussion very enjoyable. Long life to freedom of expression!!

    Next!!

  39. November 15th, 2007 at 23:55

    Big group releasing HD/x264 and SD/xvid.

    http://bt.vegapunk.com/

    Ok it’s not 90/10, but more like 70/30, but still a LARGE majority of HD users.
    I can also give you the packlist of dozens of bot, with the same numbers. Same aplies for most anime with dual encodings.

    About the guy that said you can encode while being away this isn’t completely true:

    You have to be there for all the steps, except maybe for the encoding time (30mn) and for the uploading time (30-60mn). Between every step you have to be there to make sure everything is allright (make sure you encoded with the right script, watch the encoding, calculate crc, create torrent and release if there’s no one else to do it).

    There’s a lot of little steps to do when you’re an encoder, but most people think it’s push the encode button and go away. It’s not.

    Hedi: Im not convinced that all the steps you list are actually valid. In the middle there you say hire a second encoder. Um, Im not sure what that actually means, but Im pretty sure its bullshit

    It’s not bullshit, have you tried encoding two versions everyweek, and doing it with quality and decication? It takes way too much time and energy for a single guy. So don’t call it bullshit before you try it.

    Also, putting (USER IS RETARDED) at the bottom of each post is just ridiculous, and only highlights your own retardedness.

  40. November 16th, 2007 at 00:38

    Wow, no matter what the topic, anything related to fansubbers just stirs up quality DORAMA!

    Nice job Owen. Comedy gold. Keep it up!

    *keeps on munching popcorn*

    PS. Want your shitty PC to get shittier, try playing fansubs in VLC Media Player. Pretty sure it’ll cry like a bitch, as does mine (Yeah I know about CCCP)!

    PSS. I SHAT BRICKS AND WEPT MANLY TEARS AT THE SAME TIME

    PSSS. Please don’t hit me with the red text of doom. :( Just because I haven’t been watching any anime recently and haven’t gotten around to watching DtB’s final episodes even though I have them sitting on my HD. ;_;

  41. JustAGuy
    November 16th, 2007 at 01:14

    HigeVS… GL’s storytelling is way more consistent than Gunbuster’s, KareKano’s or Evangelion’s. It’s probably along with Nadia and FLCL the company’s only take on a real narrative that wasn’t completely fucked up by production problems or a terrible writer.

  42. strichone
    November 16th, 2007 at 10:25

    Am I missing something here or I am I just too spoiled by having decent PC’s?

    I play all anime using Z player (freely available on the internet). It doesn’t care whether the file is avi, mkv, mp4 etc. It just plays the anime and allows you to resize to fit your screen resolution.

    Does this not work on your PC owen? I’ve even used it successfully on an old Celeron laptop that only had 256mb of Ram running Windows XP.

  43. kaei
    November 20th, 2007 at 13:04

    Even though this is way late to the party, I have to say this. You’re clearly not interested in any sort of meaningful discussion, and all you want is for someone to agree with your selfish, self-entitled point of view.

    Unless! The point of this post was to get people riled up and to accuse you of being a dickwad. In that case, YOU HAVE SUCCEEDED!

    Dickwad.

    (USER WAS IRONICALLY RETARDED FOR THIS POST)

  44. November 20th, 2007 at 14:12

    Hedi: Congratulations, you have proven nothing. Not every otaku watches One Piece — in fact, the only thing you proved is that there are more otaku that watch One Piece exclusively who prefer HD as opposed to those who watch regular anime (who also don’t watch One Piece, by some shocking coincidence).

    Tell me when you get numbers on real anime that the rest of us actually watch, not a single series with a skewed sample that doesn’t really represent reality as we know it. Also, I use the red sign to highlight a particularly asinine post, so put more thought into your comments.

    strichone: Eh, ZoomPlayer doesn’t work that way. I’m running a Pentium 3 that’s less than a Ghz, so your Celeron probably has more processing power in that case. Also, I doubt you’d be able to watch HD either, so yeah.

    kaei: There is terribly irony in how you don’t heed your own advice. Dickwad.

  45. November 21st, 2007 at 02:11

    I know this feels like an old discussion now but I’m beginning to wonder whether it really is worth sending a polite e-mail to the subbing groups we frequent outlining how certain technical details regarding the video files are interfering with the playback and advice to counter it? I’ve actually had a lot of problems trying to find files that play on my rig just lately – Gurrenn Lagann was one (although VLC’s butchering of subtitle text is well known), Ghost Hound was another (although I fortunately found an XVid version of the episodes) as is Kaiji. Now, my laptop isn’t exactly high spec but it has a dual core processor and is less than 12 months old – a fairly respectably powered machine but recently certain episodes have been making VLC crash.

    Browsing help forums was a mind-numbing task: there’s A LOT of conflicting advice, usually to questions posted in n00bish AOL speak regarding “my mom and dad’s PC won’t play Naruto! Halp plz!!11!!eleven!” or similar. What I want to know is this (and I might even make a post on my own blog to that effect): what does everyone else use in terms of player and format of downloaded episode files? The majority of bloggers make extensive use of screencaps and are as a rule college/university age so I’m guessing the programs they’re using are either open-source (e.g. VLC) or at least affordable.

  46. November 21st, 2007 at 02:50

    Use ZoomPlayer or Media Player Classic, Martin. They’re both included in CCCP.

  47. ???
    November 21st, 2007 at 02:51

    Martin: If you had read Hemisphere’s post above, you would realize that VLC sucks balls. As he mentioned, CCCP is the way to go. It comes with not one but two different players: Media Player Classic and ZoomPlayer. I use the former and have had few problems with it. Others prefer the latter. Whichever you use, know that you’re using a better player than VLC and its awkward terribleness (or is that terrible awkwardness…?)

  48. November 21st, 2007 at 05:26

    @Owen and ???: Cheers for recommending CCCP – I’ve had it on my hard drive for a while but tbh didn’t bother with it because I thought I could work around VLC’s own little idiosyncrasies* some other way. Anyhow, Media Player Classic seems to be no-nonsense and easy to use so I’ll stick with that. I know it’s still o/t concerning GL’s awesomeness and all but Ghost Hound looks downright lush now. Ah, the wonders of the tecnological age…

    *by ‘idiosyncrasies’ I meant ‘didn’t bloody work’.

  49. Anonymous
    November 22nd, 2007 at 06:02

    The comments got derailed quite fast and lots of the generated output is yet another addition to spam on the net.

    >34.
    All of that is bullshit. All you need is a script (ass/ssa, srt) and a raw, which is already encoded stream. Since most encoders working in groups are fucking retards (aside from a few people like Mentar) there is no use in reencoding those because it results in worse shit anyway. Waste of space in fansub groups always take themselves far more important than they are.

    >Original post
    >For those of you who werent paying attention, before Order began subbing GL, there were no Xvid subs in 704400 resolution. Correct me if Im wrong, but even BSS-Anon, when picking up the series after it was licensed, only began churning out Xvid 704400s around episode 17 or so.

    You stand corrected. AniDB is a nifty thing.

    Furthermore SD XviD+softsub would work as well on quite old machines.

    If anything then fansub groups should work without people wo are a waste of space (especially all those karaoke fx retards) and release the one important thing, the script instead of dozens of versions which are shit.

    >GL could easily be Gainaxs magnum opus
    I’m rather reluctant to see it that way. For all we are talking, GL is a work which stands at the end of not even one decade by the current staff. The Gainax we see now and that we saw throughout the ’00s is nothing like the Gainax that was active till the end of the ’90s. There is a gap between those two generations and while GL is certainly a logical continuation of shows like FLCL, Re:Cutiey Honey and Diebuster it doesn’t connect with the shows in the past. It’s also questionable how its influence will last over the years. Evangelion is a anime revolution and the work that influenced and gave strength to Japanese tv animation for the last 12 years. It’s got a standing known to only few other shows and even now with the revision is still able to fascinate people. GL even being a fraction of Eva’s importance would be a big step for it. One thing certainly speaks for it and that is its root to super robot shows, anybody who has ever seen classics like Getter Robo will immediatly discover the tribute it pays to all of those shows.

    Also bloody fucking annoying anti-spam script! What’s next, fingerprint over tcp/ip?!

  50. ???
    November 22nd, 2007 at 07:06

    Anonymous, most of the stuff you said isn’t even worth acknowledging. But there are some interesting nuggets in there that I just have to comment on:

    > If anything then fansub groups should [...] release the one important thing, the script

    I think that this is actually a good idea, but will probably never happen. It would require too many retards to work together and actually agree on stuff.

    > Also bloody fucking annoying anti-spam script! Whats next, fingerprint over tcp/ip?!

    It is kind of annoying, but I think it serves two useful purposes. Click the ? icon if you don’t know what this purpose is.

    > Evangelion is a anime revolution and the work that influenced and gave strength to Japanese tv animation for the last 12 years. Its got a standing known to only few other shows and even now with the revision is still able to fascinate people.

    This needs to stop immediately. You are welcome to your opinion, and if you like Evangelion then go you. But it is not a fucking anime revolution; it is, in fact, nothing more than a train wreck in 26 episodes. The people who claim that Eva is great anime are the same wankers who put James Joyce on the top of the “best/most influential books of all time” list. You are fucking retards who think that writing inaccessible, pseudo-intellectual bullshit equals great art. Art is for the people, and if you combine an unintelligible, incoherent, and barely-watchable plot with an ending that felt like Gainax giving the middle finger to its viewers, that isn’t “an anime revolution”, it’s a turd.

    To counter your probable objection: yes, I understood what was going on in the series. The fact that the ending is such a WTF is bad, but even if the anime had actually managed to get its point across, it would still be a piece of shit, because the basic idea was so inane that it can’t be salvaged by even the most inspired storytelling. And Evangelion is far…far from being inspired storytelling.

    How about the fact that they took at least three tries at getting the ending right, and all of them were a travesty? I do like it when the main characters die because I hated each and every one of them, but apart from sadistic glee, all I felt was anger that I had to endure all of this nonsense and the only cathartic release I get is seeing people I don’t like ripped to shreds.

    Shin Seiki Evangelion may have been a revolution, I will admit. But what it was fighting for is to bring anime to the level of literature, to the point where there is a divide between what is considered “great” or “artful” and what is actually fun to read. I’m not saying that all anime need to be lighthearted comedies or even have happy endings. Is making sense too much to ask? Or having likeable characters whose actions are actually comprehensible to human beings? Or how about dedicating the last six episodes to something other than whiny angst and repressed navelgazing?

    Again, if you actually like the show, then great. I’m glad someone can get pleasure from that abortion of justice. But please don’t claim that it’s the greatest thing ever.

    Owen, I formally apologize for using the comments section of your weblog for a completely off-topic tirade, but sometimes it is necessary to deal with stupidity where you find it lest it escape unscathed.

  51. Anonymous
    November 22nd, 2007 at 08:40

    +1 on spam on the net, but also the last, feel free to overlook this unsightly sight

    Funny that you mention stupidity since your post is full of it. Aside from undemanding biasness and hate that you seem to have developed without even actually trying to deal with the basics, you might want to check up on anime history 101, here’s a hint, what have Gundam, Macross, Yamato and Eva in common? And another one, ‘Kill Em All’.

    Furthermore, lines like ‘But please dont claim that its the greatest thing ever.’ referring to things I never said lead me to believe you suffer from a paranoia resulting from your inability to cope with said series ending (OH MY GOD they killed my fav characters, how dare they fucking assholes, now I hate it!) and the fact that there are not only people who like it (how can that be! I demand people hate that shit! – always a great reasoning) but it also accomplished something that only few other series managed (being watched by actual human beings and not only otaku trash, exaggerated).

    Of course it’s always easier to drag down something by disregarding its positive aspects and its value and concentrating on weaker points while invoking one’s hate to its maximum. If said thing is popular amongst most other people, that’s even better, makes one feel morally superior.

    Point is Eva accomplished something few shows ever did and most likely none ever will again, not GL, not Haruhi, no other otaku hype show. And with the shows currently being almost top of the head deep down in otakuish waters it’s even less possible to step out of it. Whatever, it’s rather funny that people can still hate and whine about Eva that much and are more than willing to overlook everything else, just another point for the show. Thank you Anno.

    tl;dr
    facepalm.jpg

    To actually add something to GL.
    GL is certainly the current staff’s best work but I’m not willing to believe that’s all. The shortcomings of the script are obvious, the characterisation suffers at points, a fresh breath of originality in an oversaturated field isn’t enough. And while it’s certainly the best animated tv series currently (not difficult to achieve with the awful level Japanese tv animation has) there are still things that could be improved upon. I’m fairly certain given a few years and a truly original idea (something along the lines of a Mind Game, Tutu or Paranoia Agent) or at least a rather original work to adapt (Mushishi, Paprika, Haibane Renmei) they can top GL easily. But the chance of overcoming their own stigma Eva is close to zero (in before that’s as good as 100%), much as Sunrise will never overcome Gundam (not that they are close to begin with, currently with yet another addition).

  52. Joe Sargent
    November 27th, 2007 at 15:50

    The people who claim that Eva is great anime are the same wankers who put James Joyce on the top of the best/most influential books of all time list.

    Oh, my!! Don’t dare touch in Joyce!!

  53. 0utf0xZer0
    December 7th, 2007 at 04:12

    FFDshow, the default decoder included with CCCP, isn’t the fastest thing out there for H.264. With my four year old PC (Athlon XP2600+), I need to use CoreAVC as my H.264 decoder instead to get a lot of 1280X720 stuff running. Unfortunately it’s not free, nor is it guaranteed to fix the problem. I just know it runs faster than the default.

    I support multiple releases myself.

  54. m4ppyg
    December 31st, 2007 at 11:00

    brief guide to self-reencoding, completley off the top of my head

    1. install CCCP, install Avisynth and install Virtualdub.
    (all free, and quite small, especially compared to anime.)

    2. open up windows notepad. type in the one following line;
    DirectShowSource(“C:\path_to_anime_file.mkv”)
    changing the path to the path of your file, naturally. save it as “whatever.avs”
    (you may have to change windows notepad onto ‘All Files’ for this)

    4. open up virtualdub, and open the AVS file with it

    5. in the video menu, choose Full Processing Mode. also in the video menu, choose compression, and select a codec.
    (you state a preference for xvid, or alternatively you could use the build of xvid that’s built into ffdshow as part of cccp).
    any options for the codec are completley up to you, although standards will be fine. adjust bitrate using the built-in calculator, so you get a file size small enough to stream (standard anime filesizes spring to mind).

    7. in the audio menu, choose full processing mode. also in the audio menu, choose compression, and select a codec.
    (i’d recommend mp3 with CBR if you want to mux into an avi file.)

    8. if you want to resize, choose video > filters > add filter > resize.

    9. file > save as avi.
    choose output file, and wait.

  55. lulu
    January 20th, 2008 at 10:19

    to m4ppyg:
    nice guide but…
    how long exactly do u expect itll take for a pc w/ a cpu that cant even PLAY x264 encoded files to re-encode it…?

  56. Eric
    December 22nd, 2008 at 15:10

    So all this to whine about not feeling completely included in a fansub release because you have a PC that is a decade old.
    Anyway since the future means inovations, it’s obvious the fansubs will slowly begin releasing in better formats, if they’ll just wait until everyone in the world has a minimium PC spec, then we will see fansubs releasing in most formats avaiable, they do it for free and with no commitment, so it’s fair that they decide what formats they wish to encode in.
    Since this was an year ago, probably the amount of PCs that can’t run the current formats has reduced greatly.

    PLEASE PRETEND I DIDN’T COMMENT, I WAS TOO BUSY BEING STUPID AND DIDN’T SEE WHEN THIS POST WAS PUBLISHED.

    (USER WAS RETARDED FOR THIS COMMENT)

  57. Moo-Cow
    December 22nd, 2008 at 15:13

    “I’m going to do the obvious and call this line of reasoning fundamentally flawed, or, to not mince words, unforgivably imbecilic. It’s shoddy logic that confuses the basic freedom of expression with the fact that fansubs define the understanding of an anime in the English fandom, and that altering that understanding means you’re not watching Gundam 00 anymore, but Gundam 00 According To Nyoron.” You can’t be serious..

    Understand this, you have no rights in terms of any of these decisions, because frankly, your getting something for free, in some cases it’s even illegal. –>BEGGARS CAN’T BE CHOOSERS

    Even with that in mind you have to think about why your writing this blog instead of making some money to buy a fucking computer that can play h264.I mean you must be taking a few hours making this thing, you could easily just work at a job instead of making this piece of shit and buying a computer. INSTEAD of complaining.

    I personally love my anime to be fansubbed in the highest quality video possible. Gimmie 2080p animu.

    P.S. tl;dr your post.

    HAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS. SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE DATE OF THIS POST.

    (USER WAS RETARDED FOR THIS COMMENT)

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  59. May 23rd, 2010 at 05:33

    Hello guys,

    My name is Harry and I am from Stirling in the United Kingdom. I have the other day discovered this forum and I like it very much.
    I am a bit shy so I will not write much about myself but maybe when I will get confortable, you will get to know me better!
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